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I'm still trying to absorb all the iPod / iTunes news from Tuesday. I've long been planning on buying an iPod, and was already going to order one in the next two weeks or so; now I suddenly have all these additional options. What to do? The mind boggles...

I do have some questions:

- The iPod Photo is rated as having a longer battery life, but lower skip protection ("up to 17 minutes," versus "up to 25" for all other models including the mini). Why? I can't imagine they'd decrease the memory cache. Is it because this iPod loads the album art along with the actual sonic content but other iPods don't, so the same individual songs take up more room in cache in the iPod Photo than they would in other 'Pods? If so, is it possible (for people who want to run with it, say, and are more likely to jostle it and less likely to want to look at the art) to disable art display - could one enable some setting like this to increase the number of songs cached?

- Why isn't the U2 iPod available in any capacity other than 20 GB? Just wondering...

- How does the iPod Photo's display look in sunlight? Also, how is the pixel response time, compared to that of other iPods?

- How much more text can be shown on the iPod Photo's display? I know it's higher-res than other iPod displays, and also apparently uses a more space-efficient font...

So... now what do I do??? :eek:
Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:51 am :: New iPod announcements... head spinning... Top
 
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get a normal iPod. they're the best.
Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:53 am :: Top
 
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I'd say go normal too. Unless you really like U2. Apparently all the U2 songs come preloaded on the BonoPod.

The PhotoPod looks like a useless gimmick that's .25" thicker and wont work with third party docks until they're retooled.

Honestly, how often do you think you'll really look at photos on your mp3 player anyway? Just carry a few snaps in your wallet.
Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:01 am :: Top
 
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ohhhhhh the extra $50 makes so much more sense now on the U2 iPod

on the side, i want one of dem socks.
Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:02 am :: Top
 
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Oh wait... it comes with a $50 towards the purchase of the complete u2. I was misinformed I think.
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Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:16 am :: Top
 
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that post was more worthless than at least 25% of my posts
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roo wrote:I'd say go normal too. Unless you really like U2. Apparently all the U2 songs come preloaded on the BonoPod.

The PhotoPod looks like a useless gimmick that's .25" thicker


If the U2 iPod is offered for a limited time/quantities then it's going to be collectible.

The iPod Photo is really only 0.06" thicker than the 40GB iPod. It's .25" thicker than the iPod mini and .18" thicker than the 20GB model but I think it's not fair to compare it with those.

The usefulness of carrying photos can be argued but I content that Apple needed to advance the iPod in order to stay ahead of the race. I think the color screen is what Apple was going for to improve the iPod, but a color screen without anything to show on it wouldn't be very useful, hence the photo thing.
Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:49 am :: Top
 
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wow. I'm all kinds of wrong on iPod.

So listen to petikas instead!

It's a comfort to find that it's still pretty slim though, I was thinking that .25" was a bit much.

The collectible aspect is a good angle too, I hadn't thought of that.
Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:59 am :: Top
 
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also it doesnt come in other sizes because the 40/60 gigs are different sizes and apple does not want to be suck with a bunch of black case backings if the demand isnt there for a 40gig U2Pod
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Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:04 am :: Top
 
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I would/am saving up for the iPod Photo. For some reason, I like the thicker ones. I really like the 2nd gen, thick, but too square. I like it round and thick baby.
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I like the form factor and buttons of my 2G iPod best also. I'm sure I'm somewhat biased however. I do want a newer model for the dock.
Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:12 am :: Top
 
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Stop the Robots wrote:I like it round and thick baby.

So does your mom.
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Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:06 pm :: Top
 
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Blondie, I would suggest that you go "old school". It's too cliche to have a new iPod, if you want to show people that you were ahead of the curve, get an older iPod. There a little more expensive, (becuase they are now classics) but it is worth it.

In fact, I have 2G 10gig iPod I would willing to let you have for, let's say, $950. I would charge $1000, but I like you. So, deal?
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Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:10 pm :: Top
 
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I'm not as ncie as Halbie. I'm charging you the full $1000 and then not even giving you th iPod. now pay up! :P
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Post Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:40 pm :: Top
 
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:lol:

Well, here's where I am. Prior to Tuesday's announcements, I had planned on getting a 40 GB iPod, on the basis that it would be large enough to hold all my music (my iTunes library currently stands at 24.5 GB, so a 40 would hold it all and have plenty of room to grow, but no other model that was recently shipping before this week would); I'd have the convenience of autosync, and the freedom to listen to anything in my library at any time on a whim, regardless of whether I'd specifically planned to have it with me or not (that is, I wouldn't have had to have it among the subset of my overall library I'd chosen to have on the iPod that day). As a bonus of the 4G models, I'd also have a ~12-hour battery life instead of ~8. However, if I'd gotten any model other than the 40, my second choice would actually be a mini instead of the next most capacious thing. My thinking would be that as long as I was getting an iPod that wouldn't carry everything anyway, it didn't particularly matter whether it'd take 4 GB or 10 or 15 or 20, since any of those sizes would still require me to make some decision about what music to take with me at a given time, and any specific selection of tracks I'd make containing music I'd particularly want to hear probably wouldn't be that large anyway. Therefore, 4 GB would still be about as sufficient for me given how I'd use any iPod with a capacity below my current total library volume, and it'd have the added attractions of lower size and weight and being available in my favorite color, all for less money. The lower battery life of the mini would be a drawback, but probably not one really likely to affect me often, and not enough to offset the combined considerations of size / weight, color, and price.

However... now that there are new things in the mix, well...

I'm considering the iPod Photo because, hey, it does show photos... and even though that's certainly not essential for me, it is undeniably nifty (and after all, it's not like I can't continue to use it like any other iPod even if I don't want to look at the pretty pictures on the screen). Also, I can get it in 60 GB, which is overkill for me right now, but I do plan on adding considerably to my music library soon (not to mention the fact I can certainly enjoy using the extra space for non-music-related stuff, like toting large files from one computer to another). The icing here would be the 15-hour-battery life; realistically, this is almost certainly more than I'd need, but it'd be enough of a ceiling to ensure I'd probably never be dry, and it'd be nice to have. This, of course, would apply to the 40 GB iPod Photo as well, as would the color / photo stuff. The biggest strike against the 60 GB would be that it's expensive; it's hard to justify spending ~$600 for a freaking MP3 player, even one so nice (the ~$500 for the 40 GB iPod Photo is a little easier to swallow; I'd actually pretty much assumed I would spend that much to get a 40 GB anyway, back before the 4G models came out, and I was perfectly willing to do so once funds permitted. Of course, I can now get 40 GB for $399 instead of $499, which wasn't true several months ago).

The U2 iPod is kind of a wild card. As per my discussion of the 40 GB vs. the mini above, it's not capacious enough to hold everything, while still being larger and more expensive than I'd need to go with if I were willing to settle for anything less than toting my whole library (since if I decide I don't need to do that, I can get the mini). However... the U2, while not in my one favorite single color (that'd be green), is in a color combo I like a lot, so hey, I do like the looks a lot. The other thing is that I'm in the unusual position of liking U2 a lot, to the point of having already decided I want to get all of their music eventually, without actually having a lot of their music yet. At the moment I have just The Best Of 1980 - 1990, All That You Can't Leave Behind, and a handful of individual tracks from singles and EPs from the iTMS; my whole U2 library is just 38 songs running under 2 hours and 50 minutes. I'm therefore an ideal candidate for something like a colossal U2 anthology like the one the U2 iPod complements, since nearly everything in it is something I want but don't yet have (whereas most U2 fans would have most of it already, and most non-fans wouldn't want more than just a handful of songs from it at most). Of course, the U2 iPod costs $50 more than the regular 20, but it does have that $50 coupon toward the set, so if one is going to buy the set anyway, the U2 iPod essentially costs the same as the regular 20 - the only difference is that it comes in black and red with the band's sigs on the back, and with a free poster. Pretty cool, actually, if you dig the band to the point of wanting to make them the principal artist(s) represented on/by your iPod - but then, I'm not sure I want to do that. I do really really really enjoy U2, but they're still not quite my favorite musical talent(s), and it seems to me that if I were to get an iPod centered around one particular artist or composer, it should be my absolute favorite, rather than just one of my favorites who wasn't in the top slot. Additionally, while I do want all the music in that anthology, I think I'd rather spend the money to get most of it on CD instead, and just download the handful of additional songs from the iTMS that I couldn't get on CD without also getting duplicates of stuff from other albums. I should also perhaps note that I have some CD-Rs someone gave me a few years ago of MP3s of pretty much the entire U2 library up to that point (I didn't ask for them; he just forced them on me, I swear!), so I do already possess compressed digital files of the music anyway; they're just not nicely tagged, and they're not legit. I do in fact want to get this music legitimately, but as long as I'd be spending money to get music I already have anyway, I'm all that much more inclined to get the CDs, so I'd have the art and liner notes and DRM-free true CD quality. Still, though, this does seem an attractive option (and I'm not sure I'd be able to resist if it were instead centered around, say, any of my favorite film composers, David Bowie, or the Beatles, even though I already have a lot more stuff from them than I do U2).

On top of all this, there's the fact that while I'd long considered the 40 GB to be my top choice if funds permitted it and the green mini to be my next choice if I had enough money for it but not the 40, I'm now reconsidering whether I do in fact want to spend the additional money to get the 40 (even though the prices of the 40 and the mini are now $100 closer to each other than they were earlier this year). I've recently come into some money, and I do indeed intend to use a small portion of it for fun nonessentials, but naturally there's a lot more in the way of fun nonessentials I'd love to have than just iPods, and I'm wondering whether I might derive more enjoyment from spending a little less on the iPod and a little more on something else (music to put on the iPod, DVDs, LEGO - there's no shortage of stuff that costs money that I want). This reevaluation has had the practical effect of making the iPod mini, previously my clear second-tier choice, closer to my first choice; it hasn't quite displaced the 40 GB as my top choice, but the previously distinct demarcation between the two as "first choice" and "second choice" has become rather blurry.

In short: I don't know what the hell I want, other than that I do in fact want some kind of iPod. I do know I want an iPod, though, and I'm going to get one. :D

But hey... why the hell am I telling / asking you guys this? You're not going to make the decision... :P

On an unrelated note, I'd just like to say this is my first post I've made in months from my own computer. I've got internet access again!! Woohoo!!!
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i'm not reading that long informative post ;)
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I stopped reading halfway through, but I promise, I'll come back and finish later.
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Blondie-Wan wrote: You're not going to make the decision... :P



I can't believe I came back to finish reading the post, and at the end I find out my opinion is worthless!!! :cry: ;)

I think it all comes down to how you are going to use it. Do you want all of your music, or just a portion. And how important is size. Does size (dimensions) trump capacity seems to be the main question. The good news is, no matter which you buy, you'll still have an iPod. Yay.
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Well, I think I already knew I wasn't going to get the U2 iPod, or the regular 20; I discussed it anyway partly because I thought it might be cool to just generally talk about its benefits / drawbacks from the POV of a particular person (such as me) who might conceivably buy it.

I do think I have my decision narrowed down to four considerations (green mini, regular 40, Photo 40, Photo 60), from the total ten models available, so I think I'm doing alright so far...
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Post Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:41 pm :: Top
 
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Also, so anyway... does anyone know any answers to the questions I asked above?
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tobobo wrote:i'm not reading that long informative post ;)


Thanks, but there's no need to flatter me; my post is long bullshit, like anyone else's. :P
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To (not) answer your questions, I think you will have to wait for a few hands on reviews to come out. I read one, but he made a point to say that he didn't try it outside. :shrug:
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Post Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:07 pm :: Top
 
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Coolness. I'd like to see that review, even if he made a point of saying he didn't try it outside - especially if, actually, since that shows the reviewer is at least thoughtful enough to consider such things. Forgive the steyrism, but... got a link??
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Hang on...

Here you go.
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¡Muchas gracias!
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Blondie, what if I was to sell you my 15 gig, 3G iPod?

Because I really want that damn U2 iPod. Mind you, I want to see it in person first before I make any rash decisions. Also considering my current jobless state, I have to pinch my pennies.

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Heh. I don't suppose you happen to have gotten yours engraved "Don't Panic!" on the back, do you?

To be perfectly honest, I wanted to get one either capacious enough for my entire library (which would mean at least a 30, if they were available), or a green mini. If you're serious about wanting to part with your 15 for the U2 20, though, I'll ask my friends...
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Nope, no such engravings ;)

As I said, I want to see the U2 iPod in person before I decide on selling my iPod. So I'll keep you up to date. Deal? :)

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Well, sure... but I do want mine soon. You won't be too resentful if I get mine elsewhere, do you? I'd pretty much decided I wanted either a green mini, a 40 GB, or one of the two Photo models, and I want it engraved "Don't Panic!," so...
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Don't be silly! I just want you to finally get yourself an iPod ;)

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I'm glad you agree. ;) I just would like for you to be able to get your U2 iPod, as I agree if anyone should have one, it's you... :)
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Blondie-Wan wrote:"Don't Panic!"


They don't let you use quotes but…

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I wasn't going to use quotes in the actual engraving; I was just using them here to distinguish the words I want engraved from the rest of my sentence.

They don't in fact let one use a lot of special characters, though, which sucks. The thing is, they do let one use all sorts of special characters in the online Apple Stores for other countries, as one might expect; if they can engrave accents and umlauts and so on for other geographic regions, why can't they do it here? Just because most Americans wouldn't want them doesn't mean they shouldn't offer them at all...
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Blondie-Wan wrote:I'm glad you agree. ;) I just would like for you to be able to get your U2 iPod, as I agree if anyone should have one, it's you... :)


Aww, thanks hun :D

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Blondie, why the words, "Don't Panic!"

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That would most likely be because it's the slogan on The Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy. Image

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I want my 6gen ipod to be engraved "Panic!"
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Kosh wrote:That would most likely be because it's the slogan on The Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy. Image

:D ;)


You got it! After all, the iPod is a small handheld electronic gizmo with buttons and a screen, and which holds vast quantities of cultural data. I think "Don't Panic!" would be perfect for it.

Also, the late, much beloved Douglas Adams was himself a major Apple / Mac fan, as well as a huge music lover (and reputedly a talented musician in his own right). It's too bad he didn't live long enough to see the iPod; I'm sure he'd have absolutely loved it (but then, it's just plain too bad he didn't live longer, period).

Prior to hitting on "Don't Panic!," most of my engraving considerations for when I would finally get an iPod involved invitations to the RIAA, Microsoft, Dubya, John Ashcroft, etc. to bite me, kiss my ass, etc. I like the Hitch-hiker's reference a lot more, though.
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Ahhhh, yes. I should have known! ;)

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