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the GT-R is arguably one of the best muscle cars made. You have to read auto reviews understanding the bias. Some guys like muscle push and understeer, some like tight and over steer, etc. When a sportscar enthusiast disses a muscle car, you have to take it with a grain of salt.

I recently watched a show where the Top Gear boiz compared the Z4, Boxster and S2000. Clearly each vehicle is a winner in the eyes of the right driver.

Me, I'm a Porsche guy [logical for someone who enjoys a Miata]. I care more about cornering, feel, response and aesthetics. I am fairly determined to become a Boxster owner in the next year.
Post Thu May 07, 2009 6:14 pm :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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more or less wrote:Me, I'm a Porsche guy [logical for someone who enjoys a Miata]. I care more about cornering, feel, response and aesthetics. I am fairly determined to become a Boxster owner in the next year.

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Post Thu May 07, 2009 6:33 pm :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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sorry, they don't make a AT Boxster, grease munkey.

And I do quite like the Tiptronic.
Post Thu May 07, 2009 6:47 pm :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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more or less wrote: sorry, they don't make a AT Boxster, grease munkey.

And I do quite like the Tiptronic.

I figured that if you were gonna buy a fake Porsche, you might as well go all out.

I honestly don't care for any of their lineup. There hasn't been a real Porsche since the 930.
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I honestly find the opinion of a Z car person about Porsches to be non-applicable. You drive a highly tuned bathtub.

You like straight off the line performance, I like to slice through my corners.
Post Thu May 07, 2009 6:53 pm :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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more or less wrote: I honestly find the opinion of a Z car person about Porsches to be non-applicable. You drive a highly tuned bathtub.

You like straight off the line performance, I like to slice through my corners.

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It's funny you mention that, as the 240Z's first solid food was the 911, in almost every racing series across the USA.
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Post Thu May 07, 2009 6:54 pm :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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I have driven a few AT Boxters, and they were quite slushy compared to the MT versions.
While them Porsches are quite fun to drive, they really don't do it for me in the looks department.
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I'm sorry you even had to the gall to use a 240Z and a 911 in the same sentence. I now understand you "don't like" Porshes to mean "I cannot afford them, so meh."

It's okay, we all understand and appreciate your inner white trash loathing. ;)
Post Thu May 07, 2009 6:57 pm :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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T.Goat wrote: I have driven a few AT Boxters, and they were quite slushy compared to the MT versions.
While them Porsches are quite fun to drive, they really don't do it for me in the looks department.


What settings were you using? Have you driven a 2005 and on model?
Post Thu May 07, 2009 6:59 pm :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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Don't misunderstand me tho, if I can find the right Boxster S with the 6 speed, that's what I'll get.

But I find the paddle shift mode on the Tiptronic to be anything but "mushy," same for the sports tuned mode in AT. If I don't get an S model, I will likely try to get the Tiptronic.

It'll be a couple of years till I can afford the new PDK model.
Post Thu May 07, 2009 7:04 pm :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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more or less wrote: I'm sorry you even had to the gall to use a 240Z and a 911 in the same sentence. I now understand you "don't like" Porshes to mean "I cannot afford them, so meh."

It's okay, we all understand and appreciate your inner white trash loathing. ;)

:lol:

It's not a proper 911 if it's not in your garage plotting your demise via snap-oversteer.
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Post Thu May 07, 2009 7:09 pm :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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T.Goat wrote: I have driven a few AT Boxters, and they were quite slushy compared to the MT versions.
While them Porsches are quite fun to drive, they really don't do it for me in the looks department.


What settings were you using? Have you driven a 2005 and on model?


is D a setting? :cringe:
I don't play around with customers' cars unless I really really need to.

I'm fairly sure I've driven all the boxter model years, and yes the AT has improved over time. I honestly don't remember when I drove a boxter last. I think a lot of our clients switched to fancy Mercedesess. Last Porsche I remember driving was a late 90's GT2. The clutch was touchy.
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more or less wrote: I'm sorry you even had to the gall to use a 240Z and a 911 in the same sentence. I now understand you "don't like" Porshes to mean "I cannot afford them, so meh."

It's okay, we all understand and appreciate your inner white trash loathing. ;)


So "I can't afford a Porsche, so meh" = white trash loathing while "I can't afford a Porsche, so I want a Boxster " = A-okay?
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the only porsche worth discussing is Joey Porsche. :joeyporsche:
Post Fri May 08, 2009 12:01 am :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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Geesie wrote:
more or less wrote: I'm sorry you even had to the gall to use a 240Z and a 911 in the same sentence. I now understand you "don't like" Porshes to mean "I cannot afford them, so meh."

It's okay, we all understand and appreciate your inner white trash loathing. ;)


So "I can't afford a Porsche, so meh" = white trash loathing while "I can't afford a Porsche, so I want a Boxster " = A-okay?



The Boxster of today is as, if not more powerful than the 911 I grew up with. Anyone dissing the Boxster because its not a 911is likely a white trash doting Buick owner from the bad areas of St Louis.
Post Fri May 08, 2009 2:00 am :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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also, the Boxster's sibling, the Cayman, seems to have won a certain fan from a certain auto show u boiz like:

Porsche’s Cayman S is probably the best sports car in the world
Post Fri May 08, 2009 2:13 am :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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A Pontiac Fiero is probably more powerful than the 911 that you grew up with, what's your point?
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Post Fri May 08, 2009 2:20 am :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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That you are a loser, and that I am going to own a Boxster.
Post Fri May 08, 2009 2:25 am :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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more or less wrote: That you are a loser, and that I am going to own a Boxster.

Just don't call it a Porsche, unless you're a trophy wife.

The fact that you own a Miata now tells me that you may actually be a trophy wife, though.

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Post Fri May 08, 2009 6:34 am :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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Hey look at the bright side, if I do go with the Boxster over the Z3 or the S2000, there is possibly as high as a 20% chance of ENGINE FAIL the way I drive.

So there is that to look forward to!
Post Fri May 08, 2009 6:41 pm :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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more or less wrote: Hey look at the bright side, if I do go with the Boxster over the Z3 or the S2000, there is possibly as high as a 20% chance of ENGINE FAIL the way I drive.

So there is that to look forward to!

Why? Are they that unreliable? Also, how do you drive?

If you go with an S2000, make sure you get a 2002 or 2003 model (first generation, 2.0L, glass rear window). 9000RPM red-line FTW!
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Actually, the high redline is part of what I don't like about the S2000 - however, they apparently have not had ANY engine failures due to rev abuse. Other parts have failed, but just not the engine afaik.

My point being, to make it scream will take a lot of effort. I can make my Miata squeal at any moment. HAHA

Yeah, there are some manufacturing quirks with some of the parts that Porsche outsourced. Once they identified the issue they instituted some more checks, but there are at least 2 known points of failure with the engine. So I may try to get a CPO or some sort of warranty, but it seems on the ones that will fail, fail before they hit 30K. Failure rates seem to go down once they get over 40K, depending on mi per year.
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Goddamnit, no sooner do I get the bucket back together...

Some shithead hopped up on painkillers made my 240Z the meat in a station wagon sandwich. The bumpers are all fucked up, the back is smashed in, and the front is bent down into the tires.
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holy shit no way? dude that sucks.

I thought of you twice on my little road trip yesterday. First, its was a fancy 240Z named "Von's Z" in brassy green. Then later, a red 300Z with gold rims made a radical and unsignaled 3 lane change on the 101.

:(

Did the shithead have insurance [I hate to ask]?
Post Sat May 09, 2009 10:07 pm :: Re: Car restorations Top
 
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more or less wrote: holy shit no way? dude that sucks.

I thought of you twice on my little road trip yesterday. First, its was a fancy 240Z named "Von's Z" in brassy green. Then later, a red 300Z with gold rims made a radical and unsignaled 3 lane change on the 101.

:(

Did the shithead have insurance [I hate to ask]?

Yes, the shithead has insurance.

I do not look forward to the protracted battle with insurance over the coming weeks.

If it's totalled out (which seems likely), I'll probably just get a G35 coupe. There's no 240Z in comparable condition in New Mexico.
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Damn, that sucks balls.

Look at the bright side. Now you can fix the overspray.
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agedgruel wrote: Damn, that sucks balls.

Look at the bright side. Now you can fix the overspray.


the overspray is on the 300, not the squished 240. I'm not aware of overspray on the yellow car.

Sorry to hear it, Jeh. That car is too sweet. At least you have a lot of photos of it to help with the insurance battle.
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Whoa, shit! :(
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Holy crap :(

Sorry man

Pix of the damage?

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It's not a proper 911 if it's not in your garage plotting your demise via snap-oversteer.
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wb: I'm not taking pictures of my shame. I *did* find another '71 240Z with shit interior for sale for $2500. I'm going to go check it out this weekend. If the shell is in good shape, I'll take the ins. co's money, buy the car back, and swap my (fucking MINT) interior, engine, tranny, and suspension into the other shell.

Now, back to big bastard.

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The block is almost totally stripped:
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It would be in machine shop jail already, save for this:
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Whether as a result of heat or simply an assembler with the strength of an ape, the head bolts are in there really tightly. After about 2 minutes of my full weight on a 5' breaker bar, the allen driver snapped right in half. Good thing it's a Craftsman, :lol:

Old vs. New:
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Those GT2860R's are a lot bigger than the T22s they're replacing.
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Just spent four hours putting the engine back into the 'stang, and I am only about 50/50 sure that I got it in right. Something tells me that going with the new fancy adjustable motor mounts might have been a mistake. Those alone gave me a two or so hour fight, and I'm just not sure that the engine is sitting straight. I didn't even put the headers in yet, and I'm not sure if I'll be able to do that without lifting the engine back up.
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THIS THREAD IS GETTING DEPRESSING

On a side note, I have decided to go with the S2000. The rationale was simple, entry level poor-man's Porsche, or Honda's best?

And now, the waiting.
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Quote:Harvey Dent: The night is darkest just before the dawn. And I promise you, the dawn is coming.
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more or less wrote: THIS THREAD IS GETTING DEPRESSING

On a side note, I have decided to go with the S2000. The rationale was simple, entry level poor-man's Porsche, or Honda's best?

And now, the waiting.


So you just figured out what everybody else knew?
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The exhaust went in nicely from the bottom up. Bolting it up took some time, but the whole process was a lot less painful than I thought it would be.
Now to bolt up the 1000 or so other parts that need to go in...
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